Your Questions About Green Living

I’m confused. I’ve been reading the list of people coming to the rally on the DC mall on Saturday and find?

I’m uncomfortable with many of the groups.

Are you?

One Nation Working Together

ENDORSING ORGANIZATIONS

AFL-CIO
American Federation of Teachers
Center for Community Change
Communications Workers of America
Green for All
Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights
NAACP
National Action Network
National Council of La Raza
PowerPAC
Rainbow PUSH Coalition
SEIU 1199
SEIU: Service Employees International Union
Sojourners
UAW, International Union
United States Students Association
1Sky
350.org
A. Philip Randolph Institute
A. Philip Randolph Institute – The Metropolitan New York Chapter
Action LA Network
AFSCME
AFSCME 3800 – University of Minnesota Clerical Workers
AIDS Walk Washington
All Hands on Deck
Alliance for Democracy
Amalgamated Local 171 UAW
American Association of University Professors
American Federation of Government Employees
American Federation of Television and Radio Artists
American Friends Service Committee
American Muslim Association of North America (AMANA)
American Rights at Work
Americans for Democratic Action
Americans for Financial Reform
ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) Coalition
Bail Out the People Movement
Bethel Tabernacle AME Church, Brooklyn
Beulah Church of the Nazarene
Black Leadership Forum, Inc.
Black Women’s Roundtable
Black Youth Vote
Bronx for Change
Brooklyn for Peace
Brooklyn United for Innovative Local Development
Brooklyn United for Innovative Local Development
Bryn Mawr Peace Coalition
California Black League of Voters
California National Organization for Women
Campaign for America’s Future
Campaign for Community Change
Campaign for Peace and Democracy
Campus Camp Wellstone
Campus Progress
CEEF: Center for Community and Economic Justice
Central Jersey Coalition Against Endless War
Charlie Fink Productions
Chicago Democratic Socialists of America
Chicago Teacher’s Union – AFT Local 1
Church of the Evangelical United Church of Christ
Citizen Wave
Clarendon Road Church
Cleveland Peace Action
Coalition for Peace Action
Coalition of Black Trade Unionists
Coalition of Black Trade Unionists Region One
Coalition of Labor Union Woman
Coalition on Human Needs
CODA (Coalition for a District Alternative)
Code Pink
Coffee Party Progressives
Color of Change.org
Committee of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism
Communication for Social Change Consortium
Communications Workers of America Local 2336
Communist Party USA (CPUSA)
Community Empowerment Network
Council of Islamic Organizations of Greater Chicago
Courage Campaign
CUNY University Student Senate
CUSH
DC 1707, AFSCME
DC Asian American and Pacific Islander Democratic Caucus
DC Latino Caucus
DC Vote
Delaware Pacem in Terris
Demand Equity Now
Democracy for America
Democratic Socialists of America
Demos
Detroit Democratic Socialists of America
Disciples Justice Action Network
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. DC Support Group
Drum Major Institute
Energy Action Coalition
Equality Federation
Equality Wisconsin, Inc.
Ex-Offenders Association of PA
Family Equality Council
Fellowship of Reconcilliation
Free Speech TV
Friends of the Earth
Friends of the Poor
Fur Cultural Revival (Darfur Community Center)
Gathering for Justice
Gay Alliance of the Genesee Valley
Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN)
General Board of Church and Society- United Methodist Church
Generation Change
Generational Alliance
Georgia Peace and Justice Coalition
Gertrude Stein Democratic Club
Get Equal
Girldrive
Gray Panthers
Greater Allen A.M.E. Cathedral
Haitian American Caucus
Harlem Congregations for Community Improvement
Harlem One Stop
HOFADS Corp., Inc.
Human Rights Campaign
Humanist Party, New York City Chapter
Illinois Single Payer Coalition
Imani Group
immigration Equality
Injured Workers United
Institute for Policy Studies
Institute of Caribbean Studies
Interfaith Worker Justice
International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers
International Federation of Black Prides
International Socialist Organization
International Union of Painters and Allied Trades, AFL-CIO
Iraq Veterans Against the War
Jewish Arab Dialogue Association

There are a lot more. If you go here you can read a lot more:

http://www.onenationworkingtogether.org/partners

Which economic analysis of the proposed carbon cap and trade bills do you find most plausible?

Climate and energy bills involving carbon cap and trade systems have been proposed by the US House (Waxman-Markey [WM]) and Senate (Kerry-Lieberman [KM]). Numerous economic analyses of these bills have been performed, as summarized below.

Congressional Budget Office (CBO): WM will cost about $175 per household in 2020, and those “in the lowest income quintile would see an average net benefit of about $40 in 2020. The estimate “does not include the economic benefits and other benefits of the reduction in GHG emissions and the associated slowing of climate change.” CBO’s estimate also does not include the economic benefits of other provisions in WM.
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/103xx/doc10327/06-19-CapAndTradeCosts.pdf

American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy (ACEEE): estimates that the WM efficiency provisions alone could save businesses and consumers $22 billion ($170 per household) annually by 2020, and that the net savings of the bill’s provisions not included in the CBO estimate would more than make up for the estimated cost.
http://www.aceee.org/energy/national/National_Summary_ACES.pdf

Energy Information Administration (EIA) on WM: the average cost to households from 2012 to 2030 (discounted) is $83.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/hr2454/pdf/sroiaf%282009%2905.pdf

EPA on WM: $80-111 per year per average family.
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/economics/pdfs/HR2454_Analysis.pdf

EPA on KL: $79-146 per year per average family.
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/economics/pdfs/EPA_APA_Analysis_6-14-10.pdf

Peterson Institute on KL: “In our analysis, households see somewhere between a $136 increase and a $35 dollar decrease in annual energy expenditures, depending on future improvements in vehicle efficiency”
http://www.piie.com/publications/pb/pb10-12.pdf

Heritage Foundation: WM “Will Cost American Families Over $3,000 a Year” (per family of 4)
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Factsheets/Waxman-Markey-Global-Warming-Tax-Kills-More-Jobs-and-Kills-the-Economy

Institute for Energy Research on KL: “Households would face a gross annual burden of $125.9 billion per year or $1,042 per household,”

New Study: Kerry-Lieberman to Destroy Up to 5.1 Million Jobs, Cost Families $1,042 per Year, Wealthiest Americans to Benefit

So basically 3 government analyses put the cost at somewhere between a modest net gain for consumers, and a $175 per family (about $60 per person) per year net cost. You also have 2 oil-industry-funded organizations (Heritage Foundation has received over $630,000 and Institute for Energy Research has received $307,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998), which put the net cost at $1000-3000 per family.

If you don’t trust government or oil-funded analyses, the only alternative I found was the Peterson Institute for International Economics which “is a private, nonprofit, nonpartisan research institution devoted to the study of international economic policy.” If you look at their climate change page, they don’t seem to have any particular dog in this race.
http://www.iie.com/research/topics/hottopic.cfm?HotTopicID=16

Their analysis is consistent with the CBO, EIA, and EPA at between a modest net gain for households ($35 per year) and a net cost of $136 per year. Which economic analysis of the proposed carbon cap and trade bills do you find most plausible?
Deniers, I ask that you either answer the question or don’t bother ‘answering’ at all. The question is about the cost of the proposed legislation in the USA.

‘Carter was a fool’ say the majority of a nation who elected Bush TWICE? BUT: Was Jimmy Carter right?

http://www.energybulletin.net/node/9657
From the article:

Carter faced a crisis from a combination of economic problems, failed policies of his predecessors and, finally, an Iranian revolution that cut access to some Middle Eastern oil.

Carter met the problems by starting sweeping oil-reduction reforms, including creation of the Cabinet-level Department of Energy.

He began spending millions of dollars researching alternative sources for electrical power, including solar power. He got utilities to cut their use of oil for electricity and ramp up their use of natural gas or coal.

“Up until Carter, we were getting about 20 percent of our electricity from oil generation,” said Jay Hakes, director of the Energy Information Administration under Carter and an authority on modern presidents and oil. “And post-Carter, it went down to about 3 percent.”

Carter insisted that U.S. automakers build more fuel-efficient cars, with a goal of 27.5 miles per gallon over the following decade – a requirement passed under Gerald Ford but put into force by Carter.

He offered incentives for getting oil from shale, creating a boom initially in the Rockies – and a bust when it failed to be cost-effective. He offered deductions for using solar water heaters in homes and commercial buildings.

“People in the upper-income bracket were always looking for tax cuts. They were going to build a house anyhow, so they were saying, ‘Well let’s look at this solar stuff and see what we can do,’ ” said Marc Giaccardo, a professor at the University of Texas at San Antonio who at the time was an Albuquerque architect.

Carter even had solar collectors installed on the White House grounds to heat the executive residence’s water.

Then Carter lost re-election to Ronald Reagan in 1980. The so lar panels at the White House eventually came down – and Reagan and his aides gutted the solar research program.

“In June or July of 1981, on the bleakest day of my professional life, they descended on the Solar Energy Research Institute, fired about half of our staff and all of our contractors, including two people who went on to win Nobel prizes in other fields, and reduced our $130 million budget by $100 million,” recalls Denis Hayes, the founder of Earth Day, who had been hired by Carter to spearhead the solar initiative.

Reagan and Congress stopped aggressively pushing new auto efficiency standards, acceding to Detroit’s desire to leave them at Carter-era levels. They let the solar tax benefit expire, and the nascent solar industry went belly- up.

It was time to let the markets work their magic and stop all this government tinkering, Reagan and conservatives said.

AND LOOK WHERE WE ARE NOW WITH ALL THIS ‘WORKING IT’S MAGIC’ BS?’
2 minutes ago
Following His Word:
I just fell over myself trying to block you.
Your logic sucks.

Is this what $350 million in contributions buys?

• $2 billion earmark to re-start FutureGen, a near-zero emissions coal power plant in Illinois that the Department of Energy defunded last year because it said the project was inefficient.

• A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film.

• $650 million for the digital television converter box coupon program.

• $88 million for the Coast Guard to design a new polar icebreaker (arctic ship).

• $448 million for constructing the Department of Homeland Security headquarters.

• $248 million for furniture at the new Homeland Security headquarters.

• $600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees.

• $400 million for the Centers for Disease Control to screen and prevent STD’s.

• $1.4 billion for rural waste disposal programs.

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GOP senators draft stimulus alternative
• $125 million for the Washington sewer system.

• $150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities.

• $1 billion for the 2010 Census, which has a projected cost overrun of $3 billion.

• $75 million for “smoking cessation activities.”

• $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges.

• $75 million for salaries of employees at the FBI.

• $25 million for tribal alcohol and substance abuse reduction.

• $500 million for flood reduction projects on the Mississippi River.

• $10 million to inspect canals in urban areas.

• $6 billion to turn federal buildings into “green” buildings.

• $500 million for state and local fire stations.

• $650 million for wildland fire management on forest service lands.

• $1.2 billion for “youth activities,” including youth summer job programs.

• $88 million for renovating the headquarters of the Public Health Service.

• $412 million for CDC buildings and property.

• $500 million for building and repairing National Institutes of Health facilities in Bethesda, Maryland.

• $160 million for “paid volunteers” at the Corporation for National and Community Service.

• $5.5 million for “energy efficiency initiatives” at the Department of Veterans Affairs National Cemetery Administration.

• $850 million for Amtrak.

• $100 million for reducing the hazard of lead-based paint.

• $75 million to construct a “security training” facility for State Department Security officers when they can be trained at existing facilities of other agencies.

• $110 million to the Farm Service Agency to upgrade computer systems.

• $200 million in funding for the lease of alternative energy vehicles for use on military installations.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/02/gop.stimulus.worries/
Kathy – Either way it’s obscene…
Yep it’s the “Blue Plate Special”…
daddeo – Something tells me, a double digit campaign donation only gets you a “Hope” Key-chain…
Bot – Obama claims we got globial warming why would we need an “Ice Breaker”…

Are this wasteful spening in the stimulus bill?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/02/gop.stimulus.worries/index.html

$2 billion earmark to re-start FutureGen, a near-zero emissions coal power plant in Illinois that the Department of Energy defunded last year because it said the project was inefficient.

• A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film.

• $650 million for the digital television converter box coupon program.

• $88 million for the Coast Guard to design a new polar icebreaker (arctic ship).

• $448 million for constructing the Department of Homeland Security headquarters.

• $248 million for furniture at the new Homeland Security headquarters.

• $600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees.

• $400 million for the Centers for Disease Control to screen and prevent STD’s.

• $1.4 billion for rural waste disposal programs.

Don’t Miss
GOP senators draft stimulus alternative
• $125 million for the Washington sewer system.

• $150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities.

• $1 billion for the 2010 Census, which has a projected cost overrun of $3 billion.

• $75 million for “smoking cessation activities.”

• $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges.

• $75 million for salaries of employees at the FBI.

• $25 million for tribal alcohol and substance abuse reduction.

• $500 million for flood reduction projects on the Mississippi River.

• $10 million to inspect canals in urban areas.

• $6 billion to turn federal buildings into “green” buildings.

• $500 million for state and local fire stations.

• $650 million for wildland fire management on forest service lands.

• $1.2 billion for “youth activities,” including youth summer job programs.

• $88 million for renovating the headquarters of the Public Health Service.

• $412 million for CDC buildings and property.

• $500 million for building and repairing National Institutes of Health facilities in Bethesda, Maryland.

• $160 million for “paid volunteers” at the Corporation for National and Community Service.

• $5.5 million for “energy efficiency initiatives” at the Department of Veterans Affairs National Cemetery Administration.

• $850 million for Amtrak.

• $100 million for reducing the hazard of lead-based paint.

• $75 million to construct a “security training” facility for State Department Security officers when they can be trained at existing facilities of other agencies.

• $110 million to the Farm Service Agency to upgrade computer systems.

• $200 million in funding for the lease of alternative energy vehicles for use on military installations.